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I do not know if they are going to continue to stricly enforce this old rule, however we just returned from HII and they have started to strictly enforce the no contact rule. Security paced the hot tub begining at 11 pm, breaking up everything up to sitting on your partners lap. We have really enjoyed Hedo 2 in the past, however many of our group were quite disappointed. Maybe we all can get some answers here.

Ack! The sex police are back!

I think patrolling the hot tub after 11pm is way overboard. Geesh!

So strange that they would see fit to break up couples yet encourage very intimate behavior even if done in jest during such events as wet t-shirt contest.

I sit on my husbands lap at home in full of the kids .Am I supposed to believe that acting the same way I do at home in front of family is wrong on a nude beach where I am supposed to be wicked for a week?

This is ridiculous! Might as well stay at the Grand Dildo. Why do they care anyway? We leave for Hedo on Friday. I hope they come to their senses by then.

Really? I hope it's not as severe when we get there (we leave on 8/14). This is our first trip to a Hedo resort. What was it like before? What else do the "Sex Police" monitor/prohibit?

Security is contracted from an outside company and the guards are rotated periodically, so they don't get to know the staff too well. Occasionally a new one misunderstands Hedo, and I hope this is the case here.

We go lifestyles weeks and no one is ever bothered unless there is a real problem. Example: one day a single male was "grabbing guy's dicks" in the crowded cool pool and security took him out.

Dave

We were there Aug 1 through the 7th. We watched, participated, encouraged & participated in many adult activities in the pool on the barstools under full view of employees. Nothing negative was said. As a matter of fact they enjoyed it it seemed.

Hopefully HedoDaveKY is correct. This new "Sex Police" would take away a big part of the atmosphere for Loni and me.

Is there a cheif guard or someone in charge of the other guards that a guest could go to and request a relaxing of certain "rules"?

gosh, not again! it's been years since the sex police were around. hopefully just someone who didn't understand their job. i'll look forward to hearing what others who return have to say.

Maybe the sex police have returned in response to testimony that Zein Issa gave at a trial that her father (the owner of SuperClubs) initiated over a slander issue. Her testimony was reported in this Observer article. During her testimony she repeated and adamantly asserted that open, outdoor sex was not permitted at Hedo and that, if observed, would be stopped.

Hence, the (re)emergence of the sex police.

Rumors have come to me that one of the Issa twin daughters is now been assigned to the day-to-day management of H2 (if true, I am not sure what that really means), but IF true and that twin is Zein, then I can understand that (maybe) she wants to back up her testimony with action (as in "I did not perjure myself").

Otherwise, it is a mystery why SC wants to have the sex police return after all these years.

Perhaps we should be thankful that H2 is not charging a nude tax like is being done at the rebranded GLB.

As the world turns,
Chuck

I'm not sure of my Hedo Calendar, but could this new enforcement have anything to do with the Jamaican holidays where most of the visitors are locals. If so, it is likely temporary. I can't believe that they would try to enforce this during January.

My experience with the sex police is if you ignore them, they will go away.

Having re-read the original post, I wonder why the enforcement would begin at 11 PM. Does that mean that "anything goes" before 11 PM. That makes no sense at all. I have seen as many PDAs during daylight hours as after 11 PM, when it is much darker and logically much less of a problem for the easily offended.

This sounds like something that needs more looking into. I will have to go down there myself and get the real story!!

No, dont thank me. I am just THAT dedicated!!!

We had no problems during the day, but after about 10 they posted posted 2 guards on the nude side. Not sure if it was all about the holiday but the guards stated they were acting on behalf of management. We did also see a review on trip advisor, another couple said it happened at H3 also. Copied and pasted below. Hopefully we will get an answer soon. We are not hedo rookies. 8 plus trips here also.


RE: A question regarding your review of SuperClubs Hedonism III
Regarding: Runaway Bay: SuperClubs Hedonism III: Waste of Money
"From: netsa1234
Status: You replied to this message at 11:38 pm,yesterday
"We are still here and the manager sent customer relations manager to the nude pool area and took down everybody's name that was affected, and they claimed that guests were going to get some kind of compensation. The customer relations manager's name is Sophie. You should call them directly at the hotel in Jamaica."

My travel agent called the main super clubs office and they told her that they are just enforcing rules that have been in the books. You should try to call your travel agent or any clubs planning excursion and warn them so not too many other people ge stuck.
On Aug 08, 2009, at 09:55 PM AmyGreenville wrote:
We were at Hedo 2 and they did the same thing our last night, screwed up our whole trip

I remember about 7-8 yeaers ago when the sex police were in force. One night they tried to tell folks to stop and everyone started splashing them with water. They didn't bother anyone the rest of the week.

I hope they come to their senses before the February Fluffs trip...I have plans...

This is an interesting point...it could very well have been because of the timeframe...like Boston Mike, we'll go down and investigate and let you know!!

: ) Liz

August 1 Emancipation Day
August 6 Independence Day

...... perhaps...

Still doesn't explain the application of the restrictions to after dark though.

Can't argue with the rationale of "enforcing rules on the books"...they ARE the rules re: open sexuality, but seldom in the last 10 years has anyone enforced them. At the end of the 1990s, the sex police were in full force. I believe Kevin Levee was also the general manager back then.

I can see how SC mgmt would want to crack down if it was involved in a court case.

It did something similar when it tried to sue me in federal court when I published "The Naked Truth About Hedonism II."

Shortly afterward, no photos by Color Negril or guests were permitted at the PJ party. (I had privately shown a video of the PJ party to SC's lawyers to push my case for settling.)

As Chris said above Kevin was the GM during the last 'crackdown' (Oh, what a bunch of bad puns come to mind.....) on open sex. They even put up a spotlight over the nude hot tub for a while!

In addition Chris is correct.... the rules at Hedo have always said that no open sex is allowed. In fact open sex is illegal in Jamaica so it is certainly possible that Hedo might be on the spot from time to time to show that they are in compliance with Jamaican law. We say "Respect" alot around here, but maybe we will have to respect Jamaica law for a while?
I think we need to be careful how we deal with this because it is not reasonable for us to expect SC, Hedo, or the Issa's to defy the national law because we don't like it. A little bit of discreet behavior goes a long way. Maybe we can make better decisions as guest sometimes that would help keep Hedo out from under the microscope. Thumbing our noses at Jamaican national law with regard to open sex (and illegal drug use I would think) cannot be supported by SC if they plan to stay in business. Let's show a little respect, a little discretion, and I think we will help ourselves in the long run.
Roy in VA

I agree with Roy, but how long will we have to be "good" before we go back to the normal? We just booked a trip for November, and then I read this thread.

Curious to hear the latest from those just getting back. Is this apparently just happening at H2?

Is it possible that a new guard has been assigned that comes on duty at that time and is doing this on his own?

That is a possibility for sure Bill. Many of us have seen it happen when the security company rotates a new guard to Hedo that is used to being at a less interesting resort.
One of the posts mentioned more than one guard doing this. I hope it is something like that rather than Hedo having to go back to enforcing the rules.
Roy

Before our first trip tp Hedo in janaury 03 we did some research on Hedo and from what we remember reading there were "sex police"around then. It seemed to be hit or miss on how hard they did their job but everyone seemed to agree that during lifestyle periods especially janaury they looked the other way as lifetylers pretty much gauranteed a full house and we were also charged way more then other times. As we're going back again this janaury we hope that still holds true as we certainly don't go to Hedo for the five star acommadations or the food.

We're leaving for H2 tomorrow, will report back when we're home. Hope this is just a fluke happening for the Jamaican holidays which just ended.

Why would the "easily offended" be in the nude hot tub (or at Hedo for that matter)?

Roy, I guess it's easier to talk about "respect" for Jamaican law and being "discreet" in the nude hot tub when you're in the states, but when you're leaving for Hedo in three days, it's a bit harder to think in those terms. (Do the words "discreet" and "Hedo nude hot tub" even belong in the same sentence?) I sincerely hope this is a misunderstanding on the part of a new guard.

we just returned and the rules changed last thurs. night. possibly due to jamaican holiday. we met with kevin levee and he said public sex was not allowed and anyone caught would be put on the street. i will post a complete trip report once i hear from friends who are still there. i am just waiting to see if they are still enforcing the NO PUBLIC SEX rule.

I think I see much more understanding as well as a reluctant acceptance of the current policy from some of the old timers on this board.

Hedo guests from the 70’s and 80’s remember when blatant open sex was the exception and cause for great gossip at Hedo. Hedo was about the fun of sneaking around to ‘do it’ under the stars in out of the way places or under the water and trying not to get caught.

The point to Hedo used to be the fun and friends with a sexually charged atmosphere due to nudity, skimpy clothing and sexually targeted games. It has changed over the years to many guests great delight. I think this gradual acceptance of open sex has tested the limit of Jamaican tolerance in general. I would not be surprised if formal complaints haven’t occurred from disgruntled former employees or jealous competitors in the struggling hotel market.

One could also suspect that the current change in the enforcement of the ban on open sex does have to do with the recent Issa lawsuit. Only time will tell if the enforcement will be permanent.

In any event it doesn’t affect my vacation. I have fun there without the public sex.

Anita

From fanaticism to barbarism is only one step.-- Denis Diderot

I agree with the tone of perhaps the need to tone things down, especially if Hedo II is under some outside pressure. I have to say however that the post quoting Kevin as stating the "rules" and potential of kicking guests to the street reminds me of Claude Rains in Casablanca being "shocked" to find out there was gambling going on at Rick's, just before he collected his winnings. Hopefully this isn't the approach. After several years of going down to Hedo with one set of expectations based on a policy of rule non-enforcement, guests should not be subject to eviction without proper notice, which I would not consider this board to be.

Love love love the analogy to Claude Rains--BINGO (IMO)!

I also agree 100% with what Anita/Diva (BunzZ) said too.

And I think some of us old timers are secretly or not so secretly grateful for a crackdown (one that is tempered, not insane...after all, Hedo wants to have an ambiance that keeps it different from all the other hotels that cater to Lifestylers and/or nudists).

CandG,
"(Do the words "discreet" and "Hedo nude hot tub" even belong in the same sentence?)"

Those words do go together, or at least they used to go together at Hedo. It is really only since so many guests stop looking at Hedo as a fun, sexy resort and instead began seeing it as an "on-premisis anything goes sex club" that they stopped going together. It used to be a rare day when Hedo ever actually lived up to its sordid reputation. Discreet contact (meaning "not in the faces of others" or as an attempt to "put on a show") was the order of the day at Hedo and when it crossed that line a security guard, an EC, or even someone from the front office would politely ask you to take it back to your room. Those words did go together and in many ways Hedo was better for it. Those you you who went to Hedo when that was the case....before so much open 'in your face' sex... did you dislike Hedo then?
Those who decide that they will only go to Hedo if it is an open sex club (resort rules and national law be damned) can vote with their vacation dollars and go to a different sex club and it may help over time, but it is unreasonable to expect Hedo management to defy Jamaican law so directly and outwardly. One valid approach is to spend our dollars elsewhere and Hedo will see that they have to continue to meet us halfway and keep a reasonable leash on the sex police to keep the cash flow going. This will have an impact over time for sure. Hedo cannot afford to lose the big swinger groups dollars. However, I have been then during those weeks before (mid- Jan a couple of times and July 4th 2008) and there was less open sex those weeks than I had seen in many non-lifestyles weeks. So even many lifestylers seem to be able to have a great time at Hedo without a lot of open sex.
If we want Hedo to remain what we want it to be I think we need to have the good sense to allow Hedo management, Zein or anyone else called to the carpet to explain, a certain amount of 'plausible deniability' and at least a measure of ability to claim compliance with local and national laws in Jamaica.
I think this current strict enforcement will pass as it has in the past. Jamaican holidays are often a good time to tone down the open sex since it is illegal and unacceptable in Jamaican custom. Local Jamaican attendance is higher during these times. However it will pass quicker and better if we show that we are willing and have the basic respect to at least give a nod to the people of Jamaica and their laws that govern the country we love to visit and the rules of the resort we love to visit. Doing anything else is throwing Hedo under the bus since they are willing to 'look the other way' for us so much of the time. Perhaps when they are under the microscope from time to time we should make decisions that don't put Zein or anyone else in an untenable position when they are put in the position to have to explain.
BTW- I think a little bit of discretion can still be a good thing... even at the nude hot tub at Hedo. But I'm just old and stupid and still look at Hedo as a tropical resort with a naughty attitude rather than as a sex club.
Roy

We'd like to get a difinative answer before janauary. Wrong as it may be we pretty much go to Hedo during the lifestyle month of janaury for the decadent open sexual atmosphere. Ok,maybe on the rafts during the afternoon while the tourist boats cruise by is a bit much. But around the nude pool late afternoon and happy hour hottubber at four and especially the hottub after eleven at night who is being harmed? There are not that many employees that see it. And as a previous poster said if a guest is offended by the activity go Disneyworld! We've talked to several of the regulars that go in january and they are already reconsidering. We wonder if management is aware they may potentially lose a large number of guests.
As we said before we don't go to Hedo for the food or the room or the service. When all is said and done with airfare and incidental costs the trip to Hedo in jamaury comes in around five grand. For that kind of money we'd like to get the full "Hedo"experience.
Bob/Diana

Roy, my answer is No, I did not dislike Hedo. I liked it very much the way it was, back then.

Respect.

One thing I know for sure (and there isnt much I am sure of) is that roy is always respectful.

Count me among the people who find the enforcement of the EXISTING rules as just another NO BIG DEAL. I am sure that those of you who love to put on performances will find some more creative way to do so, and in finding that creative way you may feel as though you are "getting away with" something.....it might just improve the experience for you.

I seriously doubt any of us will have a MUCH lesser vacation based on something as silly as this, but heck I still pull my window shades in my room before the wife and i .....well you know.

I also have been going to hedo long enough that i seriously doubt this new "rule" has any legs. Remember the 300 some odd post count on the "new conduct requirements" a few years ago? How long did those last?

Much adieu about nothing, a new position by hedo management full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

I hope you do get to enjoy your vacation C&G, but if the only reason you go to hedo 2 is to have open sex then you are missing out on a lot of other great stuff.

no disrespect intended.

I'm sure this change is designed to support both John and Zein Issa's testimony in the libel lawsuit where they have stated a number of times that open sex is not permitted and is stopped if noticed.

The libel suit was filed by John Issa in response to an email that was distributed alleging that Superclubs runs not only a whorehouse but "the most famous whorehouse in the world". The email also alleges that Superclubs through its Hedonism brand "cheapens the image of Jamaica" in the tourist indusdry.

We were at Hedo III last week and the EC's were promoting(instigating/encouraging) BJ contests by the pool in the middle of the afternoons. Quite the contrast to policing at II. We had heard stories of Sex Police in the '90's. I agree with Boston Mike, it's much adieu about nothing and will fade away like ganja in the wind.

I am still left with the question, why only after 11:30 PM?

And Cris, glad my Claude Rains analogy got to you, as was my plan. I am now fulfilled.

We also are still waiting on some friends to return. I believe at this point amoung the returning guest, the main concern is not a simple "hey, stop doing that" but more of a "If we catch you, you are escorted off the property"

Of the friends who know us we are not a "Open Area Sex Couple" not to say it has never happened either. We do believe everyone should know, and also know the concequences if caught.

For the record, we were not one of the many who got verbally assaulted and threatened to be kicked off the resort.

I also can say without doubt one couple was a nice couple and respectful couple who was not engaged in "Open Sex" the wife was sitting sideways on the husbands lap. This is something you see in any hot tub in America, when people are not "nude" and most would never think twice about it.

We are still hoping this is a "holiday" issue, becuase we also like the Jan trip. So like most of you we do want to hear from the returning guest and reserve judgement.

Clear rules and enforcement are important to us. Not one week we will do this one week we will not. Either way everyone and every group should have this knowledge before deciding the best venue for there desires. "Respect" goes both ways