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Covid cases at Hedo - 2nd thread
#145555 11/28/2020 07:51 PM
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Denny is to be commended for providing a forum for updates on community covid spread at Hedo. I have found no other source for first person "boots on the ground" reports. Not surprised that Hedo management is not reporting infection data on its website. Perhaps the information on infected guests is spotty because they get tested only after returning to their home countries, but surely staff infections are known. Is it too cynical to think that the profit motive might trump public health concerns? I noticed there is no longer a community forum for guest postings on the official hedo website. Or has it been relocated and I just haven't found it?

Hopefully guests will continue to report on positive tests on this thread so others can better judge whether a hedo visit is a reasonable risk.

Thanks again Denny for keeping this line of communication open!

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shelal #145556 11/28/2020 08:24 PM
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The Resort did a poll recently on the Facebook page about the community forum. They shut it down due to lack of use. From personal experience I'd say most guests are not reporting to the resort if they test positive upon returning home but are mentioning it on message boards.

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Originally Posted by TJ and DA
The Resort did a poll recently on the Facebook page about the community forum. They shut it down due to lack of use. From personal experience I'd say most guests are not reporting to the resort if they test positive upon returning home but are mentioning it on message boards.


I think you're right on target on both counts. I suspect the resort regards the health of their staff as private information and also doesn't want it to lead to a HUGE number of questions regarding the status of specific employees. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and think they probably have a legitimate motive for not sharing that information.

Also, it would be good if we all remember they are up against a HUGE challenge and working very hard to serve their guest and do everything possible to keep them comfortable, happy, and most importantly........... as safe as possible. It's taking a massive toll on their well-being, morale, and mental / emotional heath to cope with all of this. Maybe we should all remember that.

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shelal #145558 11/29/2020 07:49 AM
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I exchanged some brief PMs with a couple of the staff, and emailed one of the managers to let them know the info I had. So they're aware of the following reports from our trip in early November:

Confirmed data from our friends: 13 of 19 people tested positive (was 11 at the time I emailed)

Info from 2 other people's message board posts:
Everyone in a group of 6 couples were pos.
40 of another large group (I assume it was the Pervs) were pos.

2 personal thoughts:
1) I'm not surprised that a large # of folks were infected, since toward the end of our stay, the nude pool was packed tightly - no distancing and no masks (except the staff of course).
2) On the other hand, I was surprised that some of us were infected, since we avoided those crowded areas and had very little close contact with anyone. So it's clear IMO that Covid is indeed VERY contagious when not wearing masks. Ie: easy to catch from sitting 3-4 ft away from people at dinner, or chatting at similar distance at the bar for 10-15 minutes.


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Chris_in_VT #145559 11/29/2020 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris_in_VT
I exchanged some brief PMs with a couple of the staff, and emailed one of the managers to let them know the info I had. So they're aware of the following reports from our trip in early November:

Confirmed data from our friends: 13 of 19 people tested positive (was 11 at the time I emailed)

Info from 2 other people's message board posts:
Everyone in a group of 6 couples were pos.
40 of another large group (I assume it was the Pervs) were pos.

2 personal thoughts:
1) I'm not surprised that a large # of folks were infected, since toward the end of our stay, the nude pool was packed tightly - no distancing and no masks (except the staff of course).
2) On the other hand, I was surprised that some of us were infected, since we avoided those crowded areas and had very little close contact with anyone. So it's clear IMO that Covid is indeed VERY contagious when not wearing masks. Ie: easy to catch from sitting 3-4 ft away from people at dinner, or chatting at similar distance at the bar for 10-15 minutes.


As you're collecting and reporting information, here are a couple additional comments:

It would be helpful to know WHEN the people developed symptoms and and when they tested positive. That helps estimate when they were exposed to the virus and became infected.

You're correct; the virus is MUCH more easily transmitted than many people think.

Being 3-4 feet away from someone when you and they are not wearing a mask, even for a limited time, is a very high risk place to be.

For the time aspect you mentioned of 10 - 15 minutes of being in proximity with someone at dinner or in a bar, that's actually a lot when you consider the normal respiration rate is 12 - 16 breaths per minute. That means they other person or people each exhaled somewhere in the range of 120 - 240 times during that period and you similarly inhaled a portion of what came out of them. If they happen to be shedding a lot of virus early in their active infection phase, you could easily have inhaled a lot more virus than would be required to infect you. Wearing masks changes the dynamics a LOT and helps to BOTH protect you from inhaling the aerosol and micro-aerosol transporting the virus and it also dramatically filters and slows the products coming from the exhalation of the person near you.

Distance, masks, and time all matter a LOT in that scenario.

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shelal #145561 11/29/2020 04:52 PM
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November 21, 2020 the CDC ( Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ) stated all travel to Jamaica should be avoided as Jamaica is designated Level 4 ( very high). According to the CDC this means that in the last 28 days there have been more than 100 Covid positive cases per 100, 000 Jamaicans and hospitalizations are rising.


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Now that the CDC category has been upgraded from " Avoid all non essential travel" to " Avoid all travel " prior to leaving for Jamaica, Travel insurance which includes evacuation due to Covid symptoms is no longer covered.


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Slightly off topic but by association I think this includes Hedo and the Jamaican tourist situation.

I've been looking at the live Cam feed from Rick's Cafe.
Often there are large numbers of people, and I seldom see anyone with a mask (except for the staff). So many possibilities for virus transfer.


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Originally Posted by Lucie73
November 21, 2020 the CDC ( Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ) stated all travel to Jamaica should be avoided as Jamaica is designated Level 4 ( very high). According to the CDC this means that in the last 28 days there have been more than 100 Covid positive cases per 100, 000 Jamaicans and hospitalizations are rising.
Checking WorldMeter asa CDC does not list USA data

https://www.worldometers.info/coron...rder=17&subOrder=0&totalCount=17
We see Jamaica at 3,703 cases per 1M pop and the US at 44,410 per 1M pop
Deaths US 860/1M Jamaica 88/1M

So I guess that once we get to Jamaica we should not go to a country that is 10 to 12 times worse.


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Originally Posted by R&N
Originally Posted by Lucie73
November 21, 2020 the CDC ( Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ) stated all travel to Jamaica should be avoided as Jamaica is designated Level 4 ( very high). According to the CDC this means that in the last 28 days there have been more than 100 Covid positive cases per 100, 000 Jamaicans and hospitalizations are rising.
Checking WorldMeter asa CDC does not list USA data

https://www.worldometers.info/coron...rder=17&subOrder=0&totalCount=17
We see Jamaica at 3,703 cases per 1M pop and the US at 44,410 per 1M pop
Deaths US 860/1M Jamaica 88/1M

So I guess that once we get to Jamaica we should not go to a country that is 10 to 12 times worse.

Are you assuming the numbers are scaled to equivalent testing group size, equivalent testing rigor and accuracy, and equivalent data methods??? There are a LOT of "if's" in all that if someone is going to draw a conclusion from that data....

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Sadly, a long time member of our Hedo family passed away from COVID yesterday following about 3 weeks in the hospital.

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We were at Hedo 11/07 - 11/14 wife became ill while there and I got sick on the 16th. There was no protocols in place other then receiving your now drinking glass upon arrival. No enforcement of social distancing, rooms didn't get sanitized between guests. once you checked in it was Hedo as usual. Wife and I didn't venture to the nude pool, kept to ourselves at the beach and at dinner. What ever numbers come out of Hedo you could probably double to be more accurate. The deep cleaning the luggage cleaning didn't happen. The hibachi restaurant only sat 3 couples, capacity was reduced at pastrami and the flame. At the buffet a server handled your plate and food. Should have stayed home.

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Originally Posted by LyleM
Sadly, a long time member of our Hedo family passed away from COVID yesterday following about 3 weeks in the hospital.

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That's kind of insensitive.... frown

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