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The disgusting trip report by John in April
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This person is everything that Hedo is not. Racist, demeaning, perverted and downright not a person I would hang out at hedo with. I hope Denny takes this disrespectful report down.
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That was definitely not a nice report.

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Denny, somehow this one got by you- PLEASE take it down immediately.

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Disgraceful. Racist. Judgmental.


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Yup, the report is terrible and I'd never want to hang out with someone who would write something like that.

On the other hand..........

It's up to Denny to decide what to post or not to post on here, and I'd be the last to ever try to tell him what he should or shouldn't do.

I also wonder whether it's really OK to silence someone just because we don't agree with what they say. Is that really the Hedo Way?

While we never want to be judged for what we say and do, isn't that what we'd be doing to this person, just because we don't agree with what they said in their trip report?

Glass houses.......... this is really up to Denny.

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Completely up to DennyP. He must have been okay with it because he posted it to his site.

The racist etc. terms he used make me recoil with horror. His judging women solely by their genitals alarms me. He seems to lack of respect for anyone.

Apparently, he was there when I was there in April 2017 and now I'm so full of his "icky" that I hope he does NOT return. I don't think I'd feel comfortable at Hedo knowing that he's there.


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Just saw it. Wow. And he seems to imply he was with someone? It seems some people have become










Just saw it. Wow! And he seems to imply he was with someone?









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Unfortunately, I have to agree with Lyle and Chris. You can't silence someone, even if what the person says, turns your stomach.
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I also wonder whether it's really OK to silence someone just because we don't agree with what they say. Is that really the Hedo Way?


There's a big difference between attempting to silence someone and giving them a forum. He has every right to say whatever he wants to say. He does not have a right to publish it on this site. That is a privilege that Denny confers and is the ultimate arbiter on. He pulled a post recently because it included prices, which is in violation of the terms of this site. That wasn't censoring the user, it was simply enforcing the rules Denny has chosen for this site.

I would recommend that Denny take the trip report down. Frankly, if my wife were to read it, I'm not sure we would ever return to Hedo. He has plenty of places he can make his voice heard, it doesn't have to be here.

Originally Posted by LyleM
While we never want to be judged for what we say and do, isn't that what we'd be doing to this person, just because we don't agree with what they said in their trip report?


Isn't what we say and do exactly what we should be judged on?

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I appreciate all the feedback. The report has an email link to the poster at the end. You might want to send your comments directly to the poster.

Personally, I do not agree with the language and tone of the report. And I doubt that I would want to hand around with the poster. But unless there is factual information that is incorrect, I have always posted all negative reviews.


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I have to be honest, I went to the trip reports, hoped it was still there, wanted to read it. Like reading tabloids, the abnormal gets the interest. It will be one of the most read trip reports, lol.

I wrote UPSMAN a PM, suggesting that with his request Denny could take the post down, and that it would be explained that the poster made the request here in the forum. Then Denny is not a censor, but fixing an error. Slim chance.

Went back to 2016,15,14 etc previous trip reports by him, very boisterous, outspoken. Though I don't like the 2017 report, noticed how I and others have been remiss in posting, every year there is less posts, and the one in question is the only 2017, yet we all jumped on it. We could imporve on that.

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But Denny, one of your own board rules says "Postings that are inflammatory in nature will be deleted."

It's your website but calling someone a "Polok" or "chink" seem to me to be extremely inflammatory.
Just sayin'

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But, Denny, the review is not a negative review of Hedo so much as it's a racist, bigoted, sexist view of its guests. The trip report is not really about Hedo per se...it's mostly about his evaluations of the look of women's genitals and nipples.

For example, when you permit derogatory words such as 'Chink' and 'Polak' on your site (as this trip report used) instead of 'Chinese' or 'Polish' then you've chosen to give hate speech language a forum.

Maybe those words don't bother you? If he had said 'nigger' would that have made a difference?

Please reconsider your choice.


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Chris - I see your point about the subject of the review. I am Polish, by the way. I will review the pro and con inputs and decide.

Thanks.


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Now that was a trip report! Other than some of the childish name calling of some of the nationalities how can you hate on - "... was sitting on the side of the pool with a boyfriend with a huge crank who looked like an out-of-work porn star"?

Hunter S. Thompson Esque writing skills. I say keep it, most are mature enough to see through the name calling.

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That was a fantastic trip report! The poster expressed himself in his own personal manner. Years ago when booking our first vacation to Hedo, we were told to go with an open mind and accept all for what they are. Political correctness from a Hedo guest?

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There's a difference between political correctness and hate speech and childish name calling.

Hate speech isn't protected by the 1st amendment. The other two apply to the 1st amendment of the US Constitution.

John P from Arizona was using hate speech, in my mind's eye, when he used the words Chink and Polak. Of course not his every statement was reprehensible.

Granted, hate speech is like porn--must be judged by vetted sources in court. Denny is our judge and jury and he will execute as he sees fit.

Thank you, Denny, for taking another look and asking for input from your readers.



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Not to beat this topic further or turn it into a debate, but some folks assert hate speech, regardless how offensive it may be, actually is protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution.

Here's a link to an article in the Washington Post that discusses that in detail:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-first-amendment/?utm_term=.1b6ead414315


Sorry Denny, I know that this is way off topic; just wanted to add a final bit of perspective.

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John P's trip report is protected by the 1st amendment. Just as scum sucking protesters burning the flag is protected by these same rights.
If you read it and don't agree move on. If you don't like porn don't subscribe to it. If you are against abortion then don't have one. If you don't like firearms then don't own one. What's good for one is good for all.

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Denny, I understand and agree with your policy on maybe not taking things down because others don't like the views of the poster.... although just like you and everyone else I think Hedo and all of us are better off without that guy!

I have never read anything quite so offensive in a vacation trip report before! Anyone here know that guy? Is he a repeater that is known to some of you or perhaps some jackass just trolling to piss people off?
Roy

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Ye Gods. That report was either 100% satire, or the product of a totally deranged mind. Either way, it isn't worth getting your panties in a bunch over. Chill out, already!

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If my opinion counts for anything, I would say take it down. Freedom of speech does NOT mean you can say anything you want, anywhere you want.


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Roy, he has several other trip reports posted. Others were rude, but not as much as this one.

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The First Amendment applies to what the federal government must do: provide freedom of speech which is to say the federal government cannot create laws that inhibit that freedom.

Similarly, all states have such rights built into their constitution.

The federal First Admendment does not apply to what private individuals or businesses (like Dennyp.com) can do. Folks and businesses can delete anything they so desire without explanation.

http://politicaloutcast.com/to-whom-does-the-first-amendment-apply/


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So at the very most edit it of the potentially offensive terms and let it stand. This place could use some livening up! Once the guy gets past his misplaced name calling he could become quite a travel writer.

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Originally Posted by Risu
So at the very most edit it of the potentially offensive terms and let it stand.
It will be an all or nothing post. I don't even edit misspellings.

I do appreciate all the comments.


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It's interesting reading his previous reports and seeing the progression of the regression of his character. They start fairly normal and each one gets more colorful, and in this last one he just goes all in with the misogyny and bigoted terms.

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I was pleased when we read this trip report...at least the last line "Like the movie ‘Last Vegas’, this was our ‘Last Hedo’. "

I agree with the 1st amendment, I fought to help protect that right, however if I heard anybody talking like this in person, I would stand up for the person getting slandered....American or not...but that is me.

This report does nothing good, Hedo has hiccups, and I actually enjoy reading and learning about them...constructive criticism can be a great tool...racist/sexist comments are not constructive.

For guests thinking about going to Hedo...this is not the normal, most of the people that we met there on our trips were great. Younger, older, swingers, monogamous, very good shape, larger people, straight, bi, gay, CEO's and Truck Drivers and of every race on the planet. Hedo is one of the most open minded places (and should be) in the world. Go, have a blast and do not worry about meeting somebody like John there.

As for Denny, it is his choice to keep the report up or not. Although we really do not write trip reports, we will send one to Denny to help balance out the only 2017 report (by John) so far submitted this year. Denny, expect our report in the next couple days.


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Originally Posted by Toohorny
Denny, expect our report in the next couple days.

That will be awesome - thanks.


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Thank you for keeping this Trip Report posted. Interesting perspective (However vulgar) that certainly
got a rise out of everyone. Yes there will always be the A-Holes and this person just verified his existence at Hedo. Now I'm wondering if my husband and I have ever ran into him and if I Judged him



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As I reflect on the report, there were two intertwined segments: Discussion of the people and discussion of the resort. If these were separated, one in fiction and the other a travel report, we might find one an interesting, albeit, vulgar character; the other an even-handed view of the resort. I don't think the discussion of specific guests appropriate, nor the choice of adjectives for those individuals. As another poster suggested, he can turn a phrase. Maybe "John" should write fiction. In the meantime, we can recognize this person as an outlier and discount his opinions entirely for his decision to express himself in a manner inconsistent with community norms. I think Denny's (eb) note at the top of the report clearly shows that this writer has little regard for grace, character, charity or consideration of others, and readers can read with that understanding.

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I appreciate the very thoughtful replies.


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Originally Posted by DennyP
Originally Posted by Risu
So at the very most edit it of the potentially offensive terms and let it stand.
It will be an all or nothing post. I don't even edit misspellings.

I do appreciate all the comments.

I vote nothing on that one Denny. smile No significant information, and a bunch of vulgar obnoxiousness. No need to give a platform to that kind of blather.


Chris in FL (previously VT)
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Maybe is it is just me, but I think the writer is getting exactly what he hoped to get by posting his report....attention

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I was there during this time and don't think I ever met this guy...for which I am glad. What a tool. So glad he is not going back.


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I stopped reading it one paragraph in. What an offensive person. Takes all kinds.

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OMG lighten up ! smile I was in tears I was laughing so hard.
looks like the writings of Archie Bunker.

"I went for a drink but a guy who looked like a dead-ringer for a young uncle Fester, stood there and stared"

Holy shit , This guy must be permanent fixture at Hedo.

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I have several friends that would think me disgusting just for vacationing at Hedo. Then again opinions are like rectums everyone has one.

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Ok so after reading this "trip report", I have to deduce the guy didn't get laid or even had a shot at hooking up. Typical of someone screaming sour grapes, but I have to agree, if Archie Bunker had ever gone to Hedo that is the report he would have written.

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I agree with your post entirely. This forum, at least in my opinion, is a place to state our opinions etc without prejudice. Of course, I'm sure that there can be a limit and Denny is the boss.

What I do not condone is those such as you being a tattletale and running to management with your "information" about forum posts. Management can read posts on this forum, of course as they wish, and can benefit from candid views which they can use or not use as they may choose. If posters fear retaliation, perhaps most would be hesitant to be candid. Management would lose a valuable source of valid feedback.

Your discussion with management regarding my comments on the outrageous insurance charges, according to a recent reliable source, led directly to the retaliation that I and my wife experienced.

Fair enough, many might say, but I have little use for tattletales who curry favor with management. (I would have used a PM for this statement, but you seem to have had a full box for months)

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